I’m for the tat with the left Wiurn Darky listed (great colors and good move set with vanish, mental barrier, and Fiery Soul*), and either cross Aster listed. I do admit the first one is much better color and stat wise...although it doesn’t exactly look like a dragon. The second one looks like a dragon and provides color variation, but is weaker with stats. Either of them are tat-halflings I think they said and provide sentience. ;)
As for a nature? For what I’d use the cross for, I’m not opposed to the darker theme Aster floated. And the corruption of innocence works for me as well if we use the other cross. Like they said, I’m not married to those ideas. Just definitely not opposed, if nothing else gets brought up.
I'd prefer the cross to end up more like a western dragon (four legs and at least a pair of wings), so I'd like there to be a sarane in it. I was kind of hoping for something that would have drove a kingdom to commission the labs out of desperation to stop them, majestic and cunning enough that the people who saw them would be torn between wonder and fear, fierce and proud though it was as carefully crafted as any fine vase.
That said, with the tat-lung already in mind and the following in no specific order;
Appearance-wise, this gives off an 'Emperor of the Skies' vibe to me. A regal, dangerous set of beasts that people would have a hard time deciding whether to admire them or flee from them. Gold, black, purple, blue, faded red, and the almost white look like they would mix well, and their patterns would allow for some variety.
A 'Lord of the Wastes', a beast intimidating enough in it's own right but tends to leave it's prey die of poison, intense hallucinations, and thirst. Once again the colors work well together and would allow for plenty of different versions, though the pattern might not vary greatly.
I like your idea of another kingdom commissioning a sort of ‘mascot’ that they hope would protect them rather than attack them. ;) I can see it being the start of a legend that would someday make its way onto their flags and shields.
As for the parentage, I see that beast more as the first coloring you offered. Totally regal and demanding of attention. The third option is also unique and notable. It takes the exact opposite approach in being less expected both in design and attack. I like it, too.
- Unfortunately, this seems to be where there is a divide on this cross. Some people are going for a certain look, and others are going for a certain stat. Haix has offered brilliant ideas for a western dragon. I, personally, will need sentience for this cross to be compatible with my use, and some ideas have been offered up for that as well.
Can we find a middle ground? I don’t want anyone to be excluded because of a preference. <3 However, if I’m the only one involved who cares about the cunning level, I will peacefully back out so that everyone else can have better coloring, anatomy, and abilities. I definitely have enough pets to play with already. ;) Hahaha!
I do agree that if we want the more 'western' style dragon, then leaning towards Sarane is a better option. In terms of having the smartest possible outcome, I did some digging and the 'dragon-like' smart things we have are somewhat limited:
(And this half-breed, but I don't know if Aster is comfortable using them, it is fine if she doesn't :3)
Everything else (Enileaf, Yumenokei, Weaver, Amphadron, Seryn) were smart, but not very dragon-y (or winged). We also have something smart and dragon-y, but not winged x3
“The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.”
This is mostly catered to Haix's vision of a big ol' Western style dragon, prioritizing power over wits or a lighter theme from the original cross. All three parents would have four limbs, and two of the three would have separate wings.
Color-wise I think this combo gives a fairly good amount of variety without TOO much of a wide or clashing spread.
And thematically, taking it from the stats and appearance of the parent, I have two ideas - a sort of natural disaster theme (chaos, fire and lightning, fierce/implacable, etc.) - a creature of war (in a more "sound and fury" vein, and again, the moveset themes of fire for the wiurn and lightning/wind for the cross do complement/play into war weaponry, ie the idea of raining down chaotic destruction from above) Both ideas could fit with Haix's concept of a creature commissioned out of desperation for a state intending to use them as a deterrent? (If I'm misunderstanding your intent, my bad x3;; ) And both are traditionally things that terrify people, so "nightmares" still fits, I think. Hopefully it isn't too much of a stretch.
The only problem is that the Wiurn follows v1 stats with a cunning of 2, so the overall cunning lay-up would be 2/4/6, which still isnt better than the 3/3/6 of the Sarane/v2 Wiurn/Tat combination.
... Worst comes to worst and Darky willing (since she's the donor of the Tat parent), we could always attempt a second cross with a more sentient-leaning theme? I dunno.
EDIT: Realized I forgot to answer regarding usage of the cross in my signature. I did originally offer it in the initial thread, but since then I've reconsidered mostly for plot/IC considerations. Sorry about that @_@
I was also thinking of separately doing what I had in mind later with other parents and themes. ;) Especially since the dragon sentience options are rather limited.
I’m excited to see what this idea produces, I just know I wouldn’t use it. I’m not really into dragons, I prefer mammals. The point of my original joining was to get a creature that would teach me to be into dragons. The draconic offered magic, beauty, and sentience. This new idea was hoped to be just as much of those hooks for me, but it looks to be going in a different direction.
So I’m gonna step off this cross so that you guys can have more freedom. It was a fun opportunity! <3
Leafy's wiurn has some great colors on it. If folks would be fine with the v1 stats, I happen to own a paler sister of that one. Her stats have not been registered yet either, but I was hoping they would look something like the below. If anyone was willing to overlook her low cunning and liked the possibilities of her colors, I could go ahead and try to register her to see if they would be accepted.
Special Abilities: Fly, Fire Resistance, Survival Instincts, Intimidation Moves: Rend, Stalk, Pounce, Breathe Fire, Flame Bite, Regenerate, Fiery Soul
That crossbreed of Skye's does look pretty good, though I personally like the idea of using a sarane a little more. Most of the suggestions look good to me though.
(That bit about commissioning something to deal with it was a throwback to the Vespa and why they were made. XD)
And Riku, the parents and theme haven't been chosen yet, so maybe we'll end up with a trio that you like more? I know I'm pushing hard for the western style, but there's no guarantee that's what will be chosen or that the parents picked won't have a higher intelligence.
For a smart-dragon, I can definitely see that being a bonus project in future, so that can be attempt Nr. 2 (or 2.5?). It's alright if you don't feel like these guys are up your alley, Riku :3 If its just the sentience that's an issue, it could be gotten around with a Charm of Brilliance as well? Thought on a more one-on-one case rather than base stats.
So options based on suggestions right now are:
(I do like the brighter wiurn since it'll be able to provide more colour options in offspring)
As for the last keyword, I do like "war-like", its reminiscent of the whole GoT style "Fire and Blood" or the more Hobbit "I am fire. I am death" kind of feel x3
Slowly but surely we're being able to narrow down options~
You’re right, I forgot about those charms. I already am using a few, so I think I just wanted a more natural cunning level. However, if you guys pick that first option and it turns out well I know I’ll kick myself. >.<
So I’ll stay in and weigh in with the first offspring. Sorry Haix, I know you wanted a Sarane directly in mix. However, now two others already seem to prefer the first choice, so I no longer feel like my preference will be only thing keeping you from that goal. On the bright side, I think that Cross is part sarane! <3
If the offspring isn’t sentient and I feel like another parentage could give me another color, anatomy, and natural sentience I prefer, then I can simply do a second cross later as well. There is still use for non-sentient battle monsters. ;)
I like the colors of the cross provided, the moves seem nice, but I wanted to add that the feathers mildly being in the genes will give an option for really nice ornamentation.
Edit: The wording works for me. Also, with the number of entrants we have right now, what is the cost we’re looking at per offspring?
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