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Post by Twilight-Claw on Jun 28, 2020 16:12:46 GMT -6
About the custom Rakai-Sarane I kind of have two questions about them.
Question 1; I was wondering if a custom is made where this species has no horns on the head of any kind, are they bound to a specific breed (and if so, which one?), or would people be able to choose the breed they want theirs to be?
And question 2; Or what about a add-on where the horns are completely different from the ones that the Rakai-Sarane normally have (all the options one could choose from)?
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Post by Jack on Jul 2, 2020 18:29:34 GMT -6
I'd think you could pick any breed as long as the rest of the body makes sense.
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Post by Twilight-Claw on Jul 2, 2020 23:48:23 GMT -6
That's awesome! Thank you Jack! :D
(Definitely happy about this, as I don't really like these type of creatures when they have horns, I find them looking a lot better without it.)
And add-on wings won't make a difference to breed choice without horns either right?
(I'm thinking of making a Arcane custom with wings, and no horns, just need to make sure I'm not being bound to picking Hainu, as they are the only ones with wings in adult stage currently from what I see on the MML Stats)
edit; (Well, seeing the juvenile stage, but they do have adult stats, when compared to Kalavan's Trick.)
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Post by Darky on Jul 3, 2020 2:16:00 GMT -6
I would counter-act a little and suggest you can't just go 'any' because the Time breed (for one) is intended to be rather limited, and it would give too easy of an access to those types of VSCs and others. Because of this, I would suggest instead that a hornless rakai can be any LE breed (Fury, Arcane Fel) as to preserve the qualification of horns having to otherwise match.
When it comes to horns being different, it would follow the same rule as with other species - you'll match it to the closes equivalent in horn style, shape and position.
Add-ons wings, regardless of shape, would indeed only be Hainu, the same way it works with other species as well x3
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Post by Twilight-Claw on Jul 3, 2020 4:36:14 GMT -6
Considering I'm aiming for a Arcane custom that part won't affect me much, and they do got quite a pretty good move pool to choose from in any case.
Darky may I ask if what your saying is with the add-on wings only the Hainu breed can be chosen? Or would it be in combination of not having horns is what your saying?
(As I see on the custom page of theirs quite a few adults having wings (and horns as well, which is why I asked if the horns would make a difference in it) and none of them being a Hainu breed that was picked. It would seriously mess up the ability/move combination for Seraphim that I have in mind with in which direction I want him to grow towards (It being magical-psychic/wind with two pair of wings on the back, and one pair of wings on the tail).)
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Post by Darky on Jul 3, 2020 5:02:48 GMT -6
Generally how it works is that if your custom has wings, add-on or otherwise, you would need to pick a winged based out of the available breeds. In this case there's only the Hainu (and Kalavan, but that one's a baby).
Probably the reason you're seeing so many winged adults with other base stats is because the Hainu were added later and it took forever for them to grow (like, I had to make the file for it kind of 'forever'). This means those customs were made when Hainu stats weren't available or when there was no adult form. I do agree that it creates a kind of weird situation where technically the old customs wouldn't be legal, but that's more up to how staff wants to handle updating stats retroactively. Anything going forward should still follow the usual rules as normal, since the option is now there.
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Post by Twilight-Claw on Jul 3, 2020 5:37:53 GMT -6
So this part here I quoted of the How To Create Custom Stats, Winged VSC Base StatsIf you buy a Custom with wings, then and only then can you use the base stats of a winged VSC. You may not use the base stats of a winged VSC if your custom has no wings! Fly will still count as the added ability for your custom’s wings, despite it already being in the VSC’s base stats. is not more of a option when one aims for a breed that doesn't have wings in general? As it sounds in that part more like it won't matter if you choose a different breed, and just can only choose a wing based breed vsc if it has wings and your aiming for that breed. (I'll need to edit this later likely, but need to go to work now. ^^; ) Edit; I still stand with what I wrote above in seeing it more as an option because of the way it is written in the Winged VSC base stat, that when one has a custom now with wings that an person has the ability to choose a winged breed (that isn't available without wings), but that it isn't something that is forced to be choosing them exclusively. It doesn’t make much sense to me that if you pay for a particular add-on to than be stifled so completely in only one or two breed’s you choose when wings are the type of thing (for the ability to Fly) that is so very common for customs to have, and be added on either the common breeds or vsc who don’t have it normally. I think with why it is generally being done with picking out a winged base, at least with the common breeds when they have wings, is for that extra add-on to then be spend on a different ability or move if they also ensure the wings looks different to what it should have looked like for them normally. After Spirit, only Remiel made them for a while till she left, so that is definitely a long time in that they weren’t all that available yeah. XD (But the artwork you’ve made out of it looks infinitely better, and much smoother than the old lines!) Though, what did the adult Hainu look like again? I’m not sure if I skipped something and that I completely overlooked them, or forgot all about what the end result of them where in the adult stage. >>;
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Post by Jack on Jul 3, 2020 6:41:23 GMT -6
Yeah, Darky puts up a good point, lol, I kinda forgot about the Hainu and Trick.
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Post by Twilight-Claw on Jul 3, 2020 10:37:36 GMT -6
Jack does that mean we would be forced to pick the Hainu or Trick breed based solely on them being the only ones with wings when one gets a wing Add-On for the Rakai-Sarane? I mean, I can understand if it has something to do with the horn type, or if it is a lack of one(?), but the normal breeds don’t even have wings to begin with. ^^;
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Post by Jack on Jul 3, 2020 10:39:47 GMT -6
Yes, if they have wings, you need to pick Hainu or Trick. But I'll defer to Darky on this one.
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Post by Riku on Jul 3, 2020 13:42:26 GMT -6
Wait, I thought it was always you could only have the winged base if you had a winged custom, but not that you had to if it had wings...? I mean, all having wings does is add fly...which takes the addon move/ability slot for that paid addon. The reason you couldn’t have a flying base’s stats for a non-flying custom was because you couldn’t just have a wingless creature somehow know how to fly in their base stats. #ToTheRootOfTheLaw Darky #WithLoveAndRespect
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